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Traveller-digest    Wednesday, November 3 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1303<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
I am back on the list<BR>
T5<BR>
RE: William Hostman<BR>
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
RE: Border Guards<BR>
Re: Glitches after maintenance<BR>
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
Re: Border Guards<BR>
Re: [OT] Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
Re: [way OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Niven Books<BR>
Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
Re: Re Aslan <BR>
Professional qualifications in 3I (was Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed])  :)<BR>
Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
OT Kiri's name<BR>
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 01:21:57 +0100<BR>
From: "Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm" <jenry023@student.liu.se><BR>
Subject: I am back on the list<BR>
<BR>
Hello again everyone<BR>
<BR>
It's been a few months since I was last on the list, but now I am back,<BR>
for better or worse. Looking forward to entertaining discussions, but<BR>
this time more on topic than the last large debate I was involved in.<BR>
So, no politics this time, I've read that in the FAQ   :-)<BR>
<BR>
The list seems healthy. I subscribed a few hours ago, and I've already<BR>
got a bunch of mails in my Inbox. A good sign I hope.<BR>
<BR>
Right now I am working on understanding FF&S2 properly. The errata helps<BR>
a lot, and I also got myself a copy of the Definite Sensor Rules (Bruce<BR>
A. Macintosh). I read the book over and over, making a list of the<BR>
proper order of the design steps, and what parts of the books are in<BR>
error. Still, it's a nice book. Even nicer with lots of ink marks in<BR>
it...  :-)<BR>
<BR>
So, hello again everyone.<BR>
<BR>
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm<BR>
 Linkoeping, Sweden<BR>
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 01:23:18 +0100<BR>
From: "Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm" <jenry023@student.liu.se><BR>
Subject: T5<BR>
<BR>
The last time I was subscribed to this list, there was some talk about a<BR>
new edition of Traveller (other than the GURPS version). What happened<BR>
to it?<BR>
<BR>
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm<BR>
 Linkoeping, Sweden<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:29:53 -0000<BR>
From: "Mark Preston" <mark@mpreston.demon.co.uk><BR>
Subject: RE: William Hostman<BR>
<BR>
Please would you put a subject on your emails William.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:39:49 EST<BR>
From: JFZeigler@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 11/3/99 5:19:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, tiamat@tsoft.com <BR>
writes:<BR>
<BR>
> That is true, but it's usually the other way around.  (It always kills me<BR>
>  to hear Japanese names pronounced as though they were Spanish.  Then again<BR>
>  I've often said that if one more person calls me "Carrie" they will think<BR>
>  I'm telekinetic after all!)  Well, he could just as easily be from<BR>
>  California.  There are many persons of mixed descent here.<BR>
<BR>
Granted, although I'm trying to keep myself from plunking down U-S-of-A<BR>
Americans right and left.  There are more than enough of them in the book<BR>
already. . .<BR>
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Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 11:14:19 +1000<BR>
From: david.d.jaques-watson@centrelink.gov.au<BR>
Subject: RE: Border Guards<BR>
<BR>
Dear Folks -<BR>
<BR>
Danny asked:<BR>
>ObTrav:  How common is the non-self incrimination right in planetary law?<BR>
>Is it a low law level concept, high LL concept, or does it span both?<BR>
>Is it allowed in Imperial Law courts?<BR>
<BR>
Wow, I might actually know the answer (since I only just read George Herbert's<BR>
"Law in the Imperium" article in Challenge).<BR>
<BR>
There are High Justice and other Imperial-level crimes, recognised crimes, and<BR>
planetary crimes. Imperial courts (subsector/sector level) only hear the first.<BR>
They allow extradition/deportation for recognised crimes, but only if the planet<BR>
actually has the crime noted ("recognised") in their legal system. The last<BR>
level is up to the planet, and the Imperium won't help send someone back to face<BR>
a planetary charge (there are always bounty hunters, however...).<BR>
<BR>
With Imperial-level crimes, ther is no restriction on evidence. The person can<BR>
incriminate themselves, info can be gleaned second-hand, from wire-taps,<BR>
whatever. It is up to the court whether it accepts or rejects each piece of<BR>
evidence (and the article even included MT tasks for presenting evidence).<BR>
<BR>
As to planetary jurisdictions, it's up to you. After all, each member world is<BR>
free to govern itself, right? Some might use the familiar prosecution-defence<BR>
model (with or without a jury), some might use the Napoleonic (European)<BR>
accusatory model, and so on.<BR>
<BR>
[Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tri-dee. I only play them<BR>
in Traveller. Well, only as NPCs anyway.  ;-)  ]<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:48:31 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Craig Berry <cberry@cinenet.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Glitches after maintenance<BR>
<BR>
John Buston writes:<BR>
> >My players are currently having their ship undergo repairs/annual<BR>
> >maintenance in a lower tech starport than the ship. They are also<BR>
> >performing self-maintenance on the jump drive, fusion reactor and<BR>
> >thrusters, as well as using an experimental jump drive component.<BR>
> ><BR>
> >Anyone have any nice glitches I can throw at them during the<BR>
> >shakedown?<BR>
<BR>
These are all based loosely on my rl experiences building a large<BR>
distributed computer-controlled heating, ventillation, and air<BR>
conditioning (HVAC) system. <BR>
<BR>
* Telltale bulbs are shoddy; one or two burn out every day.  Engineer<BR>
  gets twitchy from scanning areas and not seeing greens where she<BR>
  expects them...wonders if it's the green burned out, or the yellow,<BR>
  or...<BR>
<BR>
* Readouts are hard to read, unstable, or require special handling to<BR>
  use.  Analog gauges might require a tap on the side or a slight shake to<BR>
  settle to true readings.  Digital readouts disappear or go to all 8s at<BR>
  unpredictable times.  Maintenance and repair tasks become a level harder<BR>
  and take twice as long.<BR>
<BR>
* A 'routine' wiring repair turns weird when an unknown component is found<BR>
  behind a panel.  It's an old, battered-looking circuit box with various<BR>
  cables recognizable as power and data to various systems, along with two<BR>
  unlabled ones nobody has ever seen before, clamped onto a series of<BR>
  rusty-looking terminals.  The box isn't mentioned on the maintenance<BR>
  contractors' records.  Prying it open in place (which risks dislodging<BR>
  one or more of the poorly-attached cables) reveals a set of primitive<BR>
  power conditioning and surge protection circuits...a function which<BR>
  should already be handled elsewhere in the wiring.  Emphasis on the<BR>
  *should*...<BR>
<BR>
* ...because power spikes start showing up in the ship's grid, at<BR>
  unpredictable branches and times.  Mostly they just burn out lights<BR>
  and trip breakers, but there's always that worry that one of the<BR>
  breakers will be familiar with Murphy's Law.  Eventually, it turns<BR>
  out that the spikes happen only when the door to the captain's<BR>
  fresher is opened or closed.<BR>
<BR>
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      a little before the nuts work loose." - Kipling<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:55:42 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
<BR>
On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 JFZeigler@aol.com wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> In a message dated 11/3/99 5:19:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, tiamat@tsoft.com <BR>
> writes:<BR>
> <BR>
> > That is true, but it's usually the other way around.  (It always kills me<BR>
> >  to hear Japanese names pronounced as though they were Spanish.  Then again<BR>
> >  I've often said that if one more person calls me "Carrie" they will think<BR>
> >  I'm telekinetic after all!)  Well, he could just as easily be from<BR>
> >  California.  There are many persons of mixed descent here.<BR>
> <BR>
What I meant was that people from Peru usually have Japanese last names,<BR>
Spanish first names.  Just like Japanese Americans in America often have<BR>
English first names.  Of course you do in America meet people named Kenji<BR>
Schwarz and Kiri Morgan, so it could also be reversed in Peru.  It's just<BR>
that combos like Linda Nagata, Keith Yamamoto, Jane Otsuka, are much more<BR>
common than combos like Kenji Schwarz and Kiri (not CARRIE dammit) Morgan!<BR>
<BR>
> Granted, although I'm trying to keep myself from plunking down U-S-of-A<BR>
> Americans right and left.  There are more than enough of them in the book<BR>
> already. . .<BR>
> <BR>
Nobody with a name like that is what I think of as U-S-of-A American!  But<BR>
I do understand what you mean.  Of course there's no reason to think at<BR>
that late date that he was even born on Earth, is there?  Have you been<BR>
doing characters from the Martian Colonies, etc.?<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
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If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN <BR>
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Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 02:08:19 +0100<BR>
From: "Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm" <jenry023@student.liu.se><BR>
Subject: Re: Border Guards<BR>
<BR>
David "Hyphen" Jaques-Watson wrote:<BR>
<snip><BR>
> As to planetary jurisdictions, it's up to you. After all, each member<BR>
> world is free to govern itself, right? Some might use the familiar<BR>
> prosecution-defence model (with or without a jury), some might use<BR>
> the Napoleonic (European) accusatory model, and so on.<BR>
<BR>
I have once used a very interesting punishment system in a campaign. On<BR>
a high-tech, fairly unremarkable law, the PCs ship got stolen and taken<BR>
for a ride that ended in a crash, rendering it unusable. They went to<BR>
the local court of law, bringing the thief (who survived by leaving the<BR>
ship using a grav-belt) with them, hoping for an easy method of payback.<BR>
<BR>
What happened later was a large source of frustration for the PCs. The<BR>
court found out that the thief had a small starship of his own. They<BR>
therefore ruled that since the thief had wrecked the PCs craft, the PCs<BR>
got to choose between wrecking the thief's ship or claiming it as their<BR>
own. They complained loudly, since the ship they would get was a lot<BR>
less expensive, and they wanted money to make up for their loss. The<BR>
court complained about their time being wasted, and the PCs eventually<BR>
had to leave, now as owners of a primitive trading vessel.<BR>
<BR>
Oh, and one more thing. When they wanted to leave the system, their<BR>
takeoff permit was delayed a few hours, as per the court's instructions.<BR>
This was the punishment for wasting the time of the court.<BR>
<BR>
I doubt that they will ever go to that system again :-)<BR>
<BR>
I case you haven't figured it out, the whole story was partially<BR>
designed to remove the PCs ship (rather high tech and powerful) from the<BR>
campaign in a way that wouldn't upset the storyline. Turned out to be<BR>
really funny...   *wicked grin*<BR>
<BR>
/Jens 'Spacejens' Rydholm<BR>
 Linkoeping, Sweden<BR>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:28:09 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Website revamped and Deckplans up<BR>
<BR>
Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> From: Rupert Boleyn <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
> <BR>
> >version of DirectX. Apparently MT has a form of DirectX in it, and<BR>
> <BR>
> That would be DirectX 1116, I think.<BR>
<BR>
Which explains a lot about Virus....<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:42:14 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
<BR>
>Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
>>The Ontario government has come up with a new grading system for school<BR>
>>students. It is roughly as follows:<BR>
><BR>
>>level 4 - exceeds expectations (>90%)<BR>
>>level 3 - meets expectation (75-90%)<BR>
>>level 2 - meets many expectation, but not all (60-75%)<BR>
>>level 1 - meets bare minimum of expectations (50-60%)<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>I'm a bit mystified by this.<BR>
><BR>
>Surely the 'expectations' are what you expect (i.e. what you are assuming<BR>
>they'll be able to achieve rather than some future event you're looking<BR>
>forward to).<BR>
><BR>
>In that case, how can they meet a 'bare minimum' of expectations?  If<BR>
>they've met the minimum, haven't they 'met expectations'?  (If only just).<BR>
<BR>
I'm going with the government edubabble -- sorry, but my brain isn't up to<BR>
translating all the time.<BR>
<BR>
Roughly, level 3 is fully meeting all expectations for a student in that<BR>
course. Level one is meeting a bare minimum of expectations: more mistakes,<BR>
poorer vocabulary, and so forth, but still enough work successfully done to<BR>
give them the credit.<BR>
<BR>
The problem, of course, is coming up with exactly _what_ the expectations<BR>
are: something the government has not done, even though they have been<BR>
loudly claiming that they have standardized expectations. For example, my<BR>
department spent hours writing the expectations for a grade 9 science lab.<BR>
Parents loved it: nice and detailed, clearly lays out what we expect, and<BR>
so forth. Problem is that other schools use different standards, because<BR>
the government hasn't provided any.An inner-city school might have decided<BR>
that some of our level 1 items were in level two (or even three): without<BR>
going through the 74 different marking points you wouldn't know what the<BR>
differences were.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Leaving aside all elements of standardization, supposedly _every_ student<BR>
who gets a credit can perform every required level one expectation -- or<BR>
not, because the government is still deciding how to take a whole series of<BR>
individual marks and produce and agregate summation.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: How do people handle professional qualifications?  The original<BR>
Traveller had, for example, Medical-3 making the character a doctor<BR>
automatically. While fast and simple, having spent some time trying to get<BR>
qualifications recognized in other parts of the same country (let alone in<BR>
other countries), I think the following might be more interesting:<BR>
<BR>
Rather than a character automatically getting a qualification if they have<BR>
a certain skill, they must pass a test. In some cases (eg. graduating from<BR>
a professional school) this happens during character generation. After CG,<BR>
a character must "write the test" to get the qualification.<BR>
<BR>
Some qualifications will _only_ be available to characters studying them<BR>
formally. This may reflect the esoteric type of skill, or may be simple job<BR>
protection on the part of the official licensing body. (For example,<BR>
Ontario paramedics must study in Ontario: the colleges no long administer<BR>
competency exams for out-of-province paramedics, because that reduces the<BR>
jobs available for their graduates.)<BR>
<BR>
Some qualifications will be available for characters who have studied<BR>
formally elsewhere, on simple reciprocity. (Eg. engineering credentials<BR>
between provinces.)<BR>
<BR>
Some qualifications will be available to characters who have studied<BR>
formally elsewhere, and who also pass a skill test. (Eg. nursing in Canada.)<BR>
<BR>
Some qualifications are available to anyone who can pass the test. (Eg. a<BR>
driving license.)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Naturally, the test may have little relationship to the actual skill, or<BR>
the successful candidate may simply be lucky, or good at taking tests,<BR>
or...  This leaves the referee free to hit the players with an engineer who<BR>
could pass all the written exams, but can't deal with real parts in an<BR>
emergency; a medic who can pass the multiple-choice exam yet faints at the<BR>
sight of blood, or a medic who is more skilled than a doctor but doesn't<BR>
have any formal qualifications...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Exactly _which_ catagory a qualification/certificate falls into is,<BR>
naturally, dependent on the setting and the referee.<BR>
<BR>
Assumign that you like my idea, what qualifications would be recognized<BR>
across the Imperium? Which ones would be purely local?<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:46:38 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
>I read an article several months ago in that bastion of high-class<BR>
>journalism, 'The National Post' (that's sarcasm for you non-Canadians<BR>
>or for you Canadians who have the good sense to avoid the Post).<BR>
<BR>
I would advise avoiding it. Somewhat abrasive, not very absorbant, and the<BR>
ink rubs off on your private bits.<BR>
<BR>
At least, that's what I told the last few telemarketers who tried to get me<BR>
to subscribe :-)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>It seems that there is a correlation in New York City between<BR>
>crackdowns on strip clubs and the direction of 'the market'<BR>
>e.g. the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Apparently brokers who do<BR>
>poorly get some sort of 'return to the alpha male state' by<BR>
>watching strippers so that they an head back and try again<BR>
>the next day as opposed to becoming increasing depressed beta<BR>
>males and sucking the whole market down with them.<BR>
><BR>
>The article explained it about a million times better than I just did.<BR>
><BR>
>Anyway, a lot of interesting correlations between two pretty<BR>
>isolated behaviours have been proposed over the years. Causation<BR>
>is somewhat more nebulous in most cases.<BR>
<BR>
Did they actually verify this causal mechanism?  I could also see some<BR>
Puritanical "God is punishing our sins by lowering the market" thinking.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:51:29 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: [way OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
>(All in good fun, of course ... nothing but respect for our frozen<BR>
>friends up North).<BR>
<BR>
Frozen?  Us?<BR>
<BR>
I'm still in shorts. The snow's only a light dusting, an hour of sunlight<BR>
will melt it off. "Cold" is -35, not +3 :-)<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:53:12 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: Niven Books<BR>
<BR>
>Hi All. (warning, mild spoilers ahead, if you don't want to know anything<BR>
>about "Destiny's Road", don't read the rest).<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>Regarding "Destiny's Road" and "The State", I'm quite certain they're in<BR>
>the same universe.  The thing that makes me think so is that they mention<BR>
>"proles" and "citizens" (in passing, but still) in DR.  Also, they have<BR>
>the whole discussion about "Hydraulic Empires" in it, which was also in<BR>
>AWooT.  I don't recall similar concepts in "Legacy of Herot" (sp?) so I<BR>
>suspect that's a different universe.<BR>
<BR>
Alternately, he likes the concept and reuses it.  He's done other societies<BR>
based on the hydralic empire model, in other series.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 19:06:51 -0500<BR>
From: Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] Cultural Differences...<BR>
<BR>
>As an interesting side note Kosher food is getting more and more popular in<BR>
>the US. Muslims love it because they know there will be no pork products in<BR>
>it, and many non Jews think it's cleaner and/or healthier for you. I can't<BR>
>vouch for this, though I can't see a Rabbi signing off on a dirty assembly<BR>
>line. They are as tough as a Marine DI inspecting a rack, when it comes to<BR>
>inspecting the food prep area for non kosher food remnants...<BR>
<BR>
Some of my Jewish friends concur with this. Another who's a microbiologist<BR>
notes that "ritually clean" doesn't mean "safe" - Kosher beef can have<BR>
growth hormones, bacteria, and the like that won't be caught by the rabbi.<BR>
<BR>
I tend to agree with the microbiologist.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:34:32 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
<BR>
At 11:06 PM 11/1/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Assuming, of course, that you identify with the hero.  I usually don't, at<BR>
>least in many American movies, because I seem to have little in common with<BR>
>a lot of their heros.<BR>
<BR>
That's certainly true.  However, there are usually enough movies where I <BR>
_do_ identify with the hero...  There are lots of movie heros out there, <BR>
most people are able to identify with at least some of them...<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:41:22 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
At 12:35 PM 11/4/99 +1300, you wrote:<BR>
>Casings are optional - you can simply make a fuller wooden stock.<BR>
<BR>
I don't follow that. Explanation?<BR>
<BR>
>Volume production of rifled barrels would be the choke point, IMO,<BR>
>especially of you're making longarms. Pistol and SMG barrels, being<BR>
>shorter would be much easier to rifle. Another choke point would be<BR>
>good springs, but a single shot weapon would only need one or two, and<BR>
>a simple SMG a couple more.<BR>
<BR>
I wasn't thinking mass production.  More of one at a time kind of <BR>
thing.  Besides, if we are talking about a criminal scenario, rifled <BR>
barrels are not as necessary anyway, since short-ranged weapons are <BR>
probably more usefull...<BR>
<BR>
>BTW apparently high quality prybars make quite good barrel material.<BR>
<BR>
Hmm, I'll have to keep that in mind... :)<BR>
<BR>
>Also note that a full-auto only blowback SMG is easy to manufacture<BR>
>than a semi-auto pistol or rifle.<BR>
<BR>
That's true.<BR>
<BR>
ObTrav: The PCs are crashlanded on a planet with no hand weapons <BR>
(admittedly, an unlikely scenario) and just the gear on their <BR>
ship.  Hostile lifeforms (sentient or otherwise) are a factor.  How <BR>
easy/hard is it to manufacture some non-military grade guns with just the <BR>
resources of a trader or scout?<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
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                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:48:07 -0600<BR>
From: Richard Wilson <rtwilson@rollanet.org><BR>
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
<BR>
At 02:18 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
><BR>
>Kiri  =)  not Keri, Kerry or Carrie<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
So how is your name pronounced?<BR>
<BR>
Richard Wilson<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:36:45 -0600<BR>
From: Richard Wilson <rtwilson@rollanet.org><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Aslan <BR>
<BR>
At 09:29 AM 11/3/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Now, it's not known if Jaqueline had any other heirs when *she* was gunned<BR>
down way back when, since her entire immediate family died with her.  But<BR>
her assassin succeeded her.  Cleon the Mad didn't have any heirs when he<BR>
got whacked.  There were *bound* to be spurious claims to the Throne that<BR>
got set aside by the Moot.  Why didn't Dulinor stick around and let *them*<BR>
decide?  Odds are, they would have found in his favour, since Varian and<BR>
Lucan weren't in the direct line of succession, merely alternates who would<BR>
have gotten further and further from the Throne as Strephon's kids produced<BR>
more heirs.<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
If Dulinor had stuck around, and was willing to abide by the Moot's<BR>
decision, they would have decided for Margaret. First, unlike the Emperors<BR>
of the Flag, Strephon was very popular. The Moot would not have been<BR>
willing to reward his murderer. Two, there were already rumors about how<BR>
Varian died going around before Lucan claimed the throne. This would have<BR>
cast a pall over the Moot giving him the throne.  Three, Margaret was<BR>
already a popular member of the Moot at the time of the assassination.<BR>
Giving the throne to someone they knew and trusted would have been the most<BR>
logical choice.<BR>
<BR>
Richard Wilson<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 20:54:42 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Professional qualifications in 3I (was Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed])  :)<BR>
<BR>
At 06:42 PM 11/3/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Assumign that you like my idea, what qualifications would be recognized<BR>
>across the Imperium? Which ones would be purely local?<BR>
<BR>
Here's another twist on that - what happens when a planet refuses to <BR>
recognize an Imperial accreditation for religious or social reasons?  (I <BR>
don't mean from a political point of view, obviously the Imperium can <BR>
squash them into recognizing it, but generally the PCs won't be able to <BR>
bring that kind of force to bear).  For example, if doctor's licenses are <BR>
Imperium issued, what happens when a PC doctor tries to treat someone on a <BR>
planet where certain techniques are outlawed for religious reasons?  The <BR>
planet may not allow off-planet doctors to practice...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
jg42@cornell.edu        "I do not agree with a word you say, but I will<BR>
                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:31:58 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Diplomacy - I don't have any....<BR>
<BR>
At 10:21 AM 11/3/99 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
>Okay Leonard, I forgot you were on here to correct everyone.  The<BR>
old game<BR>
>has been released into "Public Domain" and is available for *FREE*<BR>
to those<BR>
>who want it. Where I come from that's called *FREEWARE*.....  All<BR>
*FREEWARE*<BR>
>I've seen, the copyright holder retains possession and has just<BR>
given<BR>
<BR>
	If it's been released into the public domain, the "copyright holder"<BR>
holds *nothing* ... there *is* no copyright on public domain. That's<BR>
why there is a distinction between public domain and freeware.<BR>
<BR>
- -- The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights,<BR>
   shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained<BR>
   by the people.<BR>
   -- Amendment IX, US Constitution<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 15:38:52 +1300<BR>
From: "Rupert Boleyn" <rboleyn@paradise.net.nz><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
On 3 Nov 99, at 20:41, Juliean Galak wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> At 12:35 PM 11/4/99 +1300, you wrote:<BR>
> >Casings are optional - you can simply make a fuller wooden stock.<BR>
> <BR>
> I don't follow that. Explanation?<BR>
<BR>
I presume that you meant the casing around the receiver, trigger <BR>
mechanism, etc. The easiest way of making such a housing is to simply <BR>
make a fuller stock that covers the area (or possibly use ply wood or <BR>
some such). If you meant cartridge casings, that's a whole different <BR>
matter.<BR>
 <BR>
> >Volume production of rifled barrels would be the choke point, IMO,<BR>
> >especially of you're making longarms. Pistol and SMG barrels, being<BR>
> >shorter would be much easier to rifle. Another choke point would be<BR>
> >good springs, but a single shot weapon would only need one or two, and a<BR>
> >simple SMG a couple more.<BR>
> <BR>
> I wasn't thinking mass production.  More of one at a time kind of <BR>
> thing.  Besides, if we are talking about a criminal scenario, rifled<BR>
> barrels are not as necessary anyway, since short-ranged weapons are<BR>
> probably more usefull...<BR>
<BR>
For that a 'zip gun' style shotgun is probably the way to go.<BR>
<BR>
> ObTrav: The PCs are crashlanded on a planet with no hand weapons <BR>
> (admittedly, an unlikely scenario) and just the gear on their <BR>
> ship.  Hostile lifeforms (sentient or otherwise) are a factor.  How <BR>
> easy/hard is it to manufacture some non-military grade guns with just the<BR>
> resources of a trader or scout?<BR>
<BR>
Use steampipe or something similar for the barrel, and just make a <BR>
simple zip gun, assuming use have ammo (how's that for an unlikely <BR>
'accident' the crash destroys all the guns, but leaves the ammo intact?)<BR>
<BR>
If there's no ammo, they had better have someone with chemistry or a <BR>
decent knowledge of primitive weapons, military or technological <BR>
history along, otherwise they're going to have a real problem making <BR>
ammo.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Rupert Boleyn <paradise.net.nz><BR>
Wellington, New Zealand<BR>
<BR>
A pessimist is an optimist with a sense of history.<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:45:26 -0500<BR>
From: Juliean Galak <jg42@cornell.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
At 03:38 PM 11/4/99 +1300, you wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>I presume that you meant the casing around the receiver, trigger<BR>
>mechanism, etc. The easiest way of making such a housing is to simply<BR>
>make a fuller stock that covers the area (or possibly use ply wood or<BR>
>some such). If you meant cartridge casings, that's a whole different<BR>
>matter.<BR>
<BR>
Ah.  The cartridge casing is exactly what I meant...  the housing/casing <BR>
isn't too hard to machine.  The cartridges OTOH need to be made in fairly <BR>
large quantities...  Not to mention the primers...<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
           -- Juliean Galak (a.k.a. Falcon)<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
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                          defend to the death your right to say it."<BR>
                                              -- Francois Marie Voltaire<BR>
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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:54:37 -0800<BR>
From: "Kiri Aradia Morgan" <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: OT Kiri's name<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Richard Wilson <rtwilson@rollanet.org><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 5:52 PM<BR>
Subject: Re: Emperors of the Rule of Man #8<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>At 02:18 PM 11/3/99 -0800, you wrote:<BR>
>><BR>
>>Kiri  =)  not Keri, Kerry or Carrie<BR>
>><BR>
><BR>
>So how is your name pronounced?<BR>
><BR>
The vowel in the first syllable is the same as the vowel in the second<BR>
syllable, and both syllables are the same length.  (If we were being strict,<BR>
which I'm not, we would slur the "r" into something a lot like "l" or even<BR>
"t".)  I wouldn't get so annoyed, except that Kerry/Carrie is a totally<BR>
different name.  It'd be like being named Allan and having the world call<BR>
you Aaron.<BR>
<BR>
My name can mean either "fog" or "paulownia tree" depending on the<BR>
characters-- mine means "fog" which is rarer.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri (who shouldn't be eating chocolate walnuts prior to dinner)<BR>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan            93!              Thou Art God...<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"That wickedness weltering around inside of you, inside<BR>
of everyone, is sacred somewhere.  There's a deity out<BR>
there who digs it.  You can respect and love your darkest<BR>
side, disposing of only what is obsolete or impractical.<BR>
It's all about giving yourself permission."<BR>
                                                    -- Jack Darkhand<BR>
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